Tuesday, July 10, 2007

Reader Comments

at 7/17/2007 8:39:55 PM, Gerald said:
My name is Gerald, I am the one that started the investigation against Jose Luna along with News Channel 6. Jose Luna recruited me from a company out of Atlanta, Ga. Within one month of employment there was evident out right fraud being practiced by Jose and he coached every bit of it. I stayed with Mr. Luna with the hopes of making a difference and showing him that there are easier ways to make more money the honest way. I did this by persistance and a proven record of clients that confided in me. At one time Mr. Luna noticed that alot of customers were inviting me over for dinners and they opened up to me, Mr. Luna at that time discouraged my relationships with "his" customers. To the point that if I continued he "did not need me in his company". Jose is a very tallented, charismatic person and his potential in the business world even now is still great. I wish him the best and hope that he has changed. But reality says that his comments are just a ruse. He still claims to people that his "employees" mismanaged his company after his accident and that is a lie, an outright mistruth. His illegal business practices were in action long before his accident. He was enjoying the money and he did not mind showing off his house, his additional Town House, his Cadialc, his corvette, his boat etc.,etc. When I finally decided to leave Cherokee and come forth with the truth, I recieved a phone call from him threatening my life. I still stood up to him and went forth with the truth. Jose tells people that he has changed. A changed person is truthful with htemselves and with others. A changed person does not hide behind a ficticious name (a coward does). I can personally stand before the world a changed person, a successful person, a financially comfortable self educated man. All that, and I come form a much worse background then the average person. Jose, buck up start telling the truth and then say you are changed. Rehabilitaion is not serving time, it happens from within .. something he still lacks.

at 9/18/2007 6:41:23 PM, rb said:
Gerald sounds like he is jealous of some people doing better than himself.

at 10/1/2007 7:58:21 AM, Gerald said:
Lol, that was a weak comment. Can you do better?

at 10/1/2007 11:34:45 AM, Mac said:
I find it disturbing that someone, probibly the culprit behind the criminal activities, would post a snide remark like that. I think it shows an air of mockery towards the state system. It rings true of what I know to be the personality of one Jose Luna, and what he said when I called for the delivery of what I paid for. Products that I have yet to receive, contrary to the empty promises made by the company and its owner. As for Gerald's comment, I do not see in any of your post anything said that reflects envy or jelousy. What I read is a person expressing the truth and yet still speaking well of his hopes for the man caught "with his hands in the cookie jar". That is a sign of integrity, and gerald I wish you the best in your future. You do not know me but I am one of the MANY people you tried to help. As for Jose, no one believes him, no one trusts him. He has lied and continues to lie to those in loss. He will be back in the news, just give it time.

at 10/2/2007 5:42:45 AM, Gerald said:
Thank you for that comment. Though I do not believe Mr. Luna to be behind that comment, I do agree that it was juvinile. As for my success? Provably I now own a development company and currently we are in the process of building a 250 house sub division. I have taken the time over the years to go back to school, get the education and be productive for my family and community. We are currently in the process of procuring another 100 acres on the north end of the state to start another development. The housing market here is not as strong as it has been but we have discovered that affordable pricing and excellent aminities are what the home buyers seek in this market. Back to Jose becasue this article is not about me. Jose has a proven record of a trail of mistruths and intentional deception. It will take alot for him to earn the trust of many people in his markets. He is capable and has the determination (as long as his focus is honed). I applaud the gentleman that has employed him, it proves that there is still hopes in the belief system of humanitarians. I am still in communications with at least 10 people taken by Cherokee, we have become good friends and I visit at least 3 of them once a year. None, like you, have recieved any compensation for what they had suffered. I believe none will. As for feeling that you continue to be lied to I have an opinion about that... do not expect anything, do not ask furthor and the lieing stops. That is what a few of the people I know have done. It is not better, but at least there are no false anticipations. And last, in comment to the post that i was jealous. Of what? Of whom? I have learned, long before my introduction to Mr. Luna, never to covet ... it breads greed and sets one up for failure. Admiration on the other hand is what I had for Jose Luna initially, admiration that turned to discontent and disappointment. I no longer admire him neither do I loath him. I do feel sorry for him though. I really really really feel sorry for him. The future will prove us right, or wrong.

at 10/9/2007 9:54:54 AM, TCPindy said:
Hello, though my name is not important I was directed this article by a friend that saw it. My family was taken by this company and though we have moved, we have suffered a great injustice by the company. We spent over $20,000.00 with Cherokee and was left with a product that posed more problems then it was worth. After several months of lies we ended up contracting another builder to remove and rebuild the room originally purchased. Over all we ended up spending over $65,000 combined. Thankfully we were in the financial position to afford it but I feel bad for those that were unable to afford it. From reports in the news from the begining Cherokee was getting MANY people to finance the work and turning in forged completion certificates to get paid before the work even began. I actually met one of these people at the court house. She financed over $14,000 and received a payment before they began the work. Though cherokee paid the monthly payments for her, it should have never happened. I am really shocked that someone has employed this man. Especially given the title and responsibility that comes with it. There are just too many risks and I believe it will cost this gentleman alot of customers. I would like to make one more comment .. whom ever made the remark that Gerald was mad because the owner of Cherokee was more successful .. what a croc! I went back and read the news paper article referenced and it appears that the name of the man that hired the owner of Cherokee; has the same initials as the guy making that remark. I hope that is a wrong conclusion because in my opinion it reflects an attitude of arrogance. As already mentioned I believe Gerald to be a man of class.

at 10/29/2007 6:16:43 AM, UpsetinIndy said:
I wonder if his employer knows that Jose Luna is a registered offender for molestation.

at 10/29/2007 4:58:26 PM, TCPindy said:
OMG! I just checked the registry for offenders, Jose Luna is a child molester too! If we had known that before hand we would have never given him our business. To think that we had that man in our house and we had small children. I am shocked!

at 11/7/2007 8:13:48 PM, JB said:
On the contrary, Mr. Luna is not a child molester...If you took the time to do a little bit of research, you would get the true facts about that situation...That just goes to show what kind of society we live in today and it''s a shame that everyone just wants to focus on all the negatives...Cherokee also had tons and tons of satisfied customers which far outweigh all the unsatisfied ones...Who are we to cast judgement on anyone???

at 11/7/2007 8:25:37 PM, rb said:
That is absolutely right...He is not a child molester...The person who posted that information sounds like one sorry individual!!! Listen up Gerry...You and I both know exactly what kind of person you really are and it's pretty pathetic for you to try and convince all of these people that you are some kind of saint...If anyone should have trouble looking in a mirror, it would be Mr. G...Get a life bub and quit worrying about what Mr. Luna is doing...He will be just fine and one day will be laughing in the face of all the people who try to hold him back...He is by far the best home improvement guy in the entire country and one day will be a national household name!!!!!!!!!

at 11/8/2007 8:41:49 AM, UpsetinIndy said:
www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=356852.011&redPage=1 I am the one that posted the FACT. The link above shows enough. Deny that!

at 11/8/2007 9:55:18 AM, Gerald said:
Let me quote what is states verbatim ..... "In June of 2007, the BBB contacted this company regarding questions about some of its advertising, as well as some of its general business operations. Specifically, the advertising claims that the BBB questioned were as follows: 1. "Guaranteed Lowest Price...Or Double Your Money Back!" 2. "Lifetime Warranty" 3. "Factory Direct Pricing" 4. "Maintenance Free" 5. Their product, "...will never pit, crack, peel, face, or require painting." The BBB requested substantiation (proof) to the above claims, but the company did not respond. Therefore, the BBB has been unable to prove that the company''s advertised claims are true. According to the BBB''s Code of Advertising, a company must be prepared to prove any claims it advertises to the public. The company did not respond to the BBB''s requests for substantiation and information, and thus has an unsatisfactory record." FACT: These are some of the SAME things that were happening at Cherokee. That is PROVABLE as well. So, Mr/Mrs Anonymus, if you want to substantiate your rants with provable statistics, stand to the challenge and state your facts. As for me, I have the State of Indiana to back mine. And last, Cherokee did have alot of satisfied customers, that was never in question. But what has to be taken into consideration is NOT the ones he treated right but the ones he intentionally wronged. His proven criminal misdealings were tracked far back longer then over half the time he was in business ... seems to have been a pattern <shrug>. So do me a favor, prove anything you "think" you can. Step up to the plate and let us compare FACTS and not personal opinions.

at 11/8/2007 10:05:54 AM, Gerald said:
I lost part of the message typed while entering it ... so let me add - I have never made myself out to be a saint. As a matter of fact I have spoken rather high of Jose in comparison to some of the other posts on this subject. As for his past conviction, I have no comment ... that part of his past is not in question and holds no merrit as far as I am concerned. If you think you have any provable facts that can enlighten anyone here please do. I have 2 boxes of information backing anything I say up and a copy of a polygraph taken at the beginning of the investigation proving that I was (and am still) 100% truthful about anything I stated then and state now. As for worrying about Jose, LOL please, grow up. I have been reading articles on this website for a long time .. it was just funny that up pops the mentioning of Jose and it was based on mis-information. The courts and his conviction PROVES that. As for defending him, I have no issue with that. You are entitled to your opinions, but the general public is entitled to the FACTS as they are and not interpretations that are slanted and misgiven.

at 11/9/2007 3:41:46 AM, nn1945 said:
I have sat back and read every post. I have researched the information provided by all and I wish to make a comment. To begin with; this guy that the article is reporting about, it is evident he was not a law abiding person. He got convicted and now has been released. Now there is some direct comments made by a person "claiming" to be directly involved in the investigation (and it must be true because rb seemed to get personal with him). I went through the archives of wrcb TV and a few other stations and there is quite a bit of information about this case and the two people mainly spoken of here (Jose Luna and Gerald Combe). Then there are the other posts that are informative and accusitory as well. I have no doubt that anyone is mis-speaking and I must admit that given the truth and interpretation of the evidence noted this Jose guy got less then he deserved. He is out of jail and making a good pay while the others he has bilked remain bilked. I ask, is there any proof that he is attempting to pay back any of the ones taken advantage of ( ... "one at a time" ... as he said)? In reference to the child molestation, I did a little research on that as well. On one of the news reports it stated that he had a pryor conviction for "statutory rape" not child molestation. There is a big difference in those two charges. The state registry clearly says that he was convicted of child molestation. It is also recorded through out the NCIC as child molestation. There are other statistics that follow his convictions as well as restrictions as a offender but I will not get into that. Now finally, there are some here that are intent on defending this man and denying what is apparant and as some have said "facts". Jose Luna chose this type of critisism. His direct actions to violate the laws of this country, the rights and security of those taken advantage of and the young girl he was convicted of molesting; it is those direct acts that will keep him in the light of scrutiny. He made the decisions and he will suffer the reprecutions of it for the rest of his life. The second one becomes a media attention he or she is to expect that there will be someone out there watching, researching and in some cases enlightening the ever inquisitive. So in conclusion, Jose Luna got off rather cheap in my book. As for Gerald, I am sure he is no saint, but he is not the one in the lime light either. By the way, Gerald made a post in reference to the BBB. It confused me until I figuired out what it was saying. In the news report of Jose working for this new company the company had no bbb complaints. What Gerald (I think) was quoting was that now this company has multiple complaints against them as of June this year. Make your own conclusions, but I remain "tounge in cheek".

at 11/14/2007 5:51:29 PM, Mac said:
nn1945, very well put. I do not think I could have said it any better. You know I am really suprised that there are people praising this guy. The mention that people are trying to "hold him back". Jose Luna has held many families back by stealing their money, has anyone thought of that? There are people that trusted him and gave their life savings to have their homes worked on and got nothing. " .. [he] will be a household name ...", there is no way this will happen. Once a liar and a thief, always a liar and a thief! I also went and looked at the company he is working for now on the BBB website. I shake my head when I see that they now have complaints against them. You know I wonder if any of these people were at one time affiliated at Cherokee. He gets shut down and his production manager opens a company, vows to take care of cherokee's disgruntled customers .. that company closes and now that Mr. Luna is out here is yet another company and now it has some of the same issues Cherokee had.I will be making some calls, trust that.

at 11/20/2007 8:30:01 PM, LIS said:
How would someone find out more information on this guy? Is there anyone, a reporter, old friends, anyone who will tell me what he is about. He has set up another company. Who is monitoring him?

at 11/21/2007 9:27:49 AM, nn1945 said:
I would say that if you visited the web sites of all the local newspapers and news stations, searched in the archives using Cherokee Windows or Jose Luna you would find what it is you are looking for. After getting the names of the reporters you could then contact them and ask what ever questions you had. You asked if he set up another company. According to the records the comapny he is currently employed at is owned by another person and not Jose Luna. This really does not matter because it is more common then not, for some business owners to share a part in a company as a "silent partner". This is possible for that company as well. In one of the posts here it was mentioned that he is the Operations Manager for this company. It is also mentioned that this company now has BBB complaints that are simular to what was going on at Cherokee Windows. Personally, if I was a business owner, I would have started this guy out in a less responsible position and let him prove himself. Also, if I owned a company that to begin with carried a good rating with the BBB and then issues like this happened, that "operations manager" would be held responsible and terminated. But whom am I to make speculations, but facts are exactly that and it can be said that history is once again (with this guy)possibly repeating itself.

at 11/21/2007 10:44:09 PM, LIS said:
nn1945 your posts are helpful and objective. I do think that this site is watched over. There is a seemingly recognized personality in previous posts. One has to tread lightly if they want to remain stealth. I have stumbled across this blog after the weaver has laid a web. Please, continue to monitor this site and posting.

at 11/24/2007 4:49:05 PM, LIS said:
Could anyone tell me if Jose Luna was ever married? Did he have any children? And, did he get caught doing any drugs. I don't know if this is a rumor, but someone told me that his wife divorced him in order to keep the house. However, she said it was because of drug problems. I have been unable to find if these claims are true or not. Does anyone know the answers?

at 11/26/2007 6:21:08 AM, Gerald said:
LIS, I am curious; why are you seemingly investigating Jose? I am in NO WAY defending this guy at all, he even owes me back pay (lol .. a collection that I KNOW I will never see). You ask some questions that can be answered, but they have nothing to do with Cherokee. I remember that he was allegedly (according to the media) arrested for marijuana (during this investigation). He was also arrested for alleged identity theft and check bouncing on another seporate date. As for his divorce, I have plenty of information that is second and third party however I think it is hearsay and should not be repeated online. Jose has made many mistakes and seemed to continue after his accusations involving Cherokee. Do you have personal interests with Jose? Are you one of the customers taken by this company? Does he owe you money? How did you come across this site?

at 11/26/2007 7:08:09 PM, LIS said:
Gerald, I would want to tell you. I can't say on this blog. It's being monitored. I want to speak with you, but I can't post my information on here. I don't think you want to post yours. Do you have any ideas?

at 11/26/2007 7:09:38 PM, LIS said:
My first line on the last post didn't come out right. I meant to say, 'I want to tell you.'

at 11/27/2007 3:29:01 AM, Gerald said:
Sure, contact me at geraldc476@yahoo.com (as for this site being monitored ... Jonathan Sweet is an advocate of the truth, period.

at 12/18/2007 7:02:49 PM, SD said:
FACT: I looked up the new company on BBB website and found 0 complaints in the last 36 months. Where are you finding this information?

at 12/19/2007 10:33:45 AM, Gerald said:
I never stated that the new company had complaints, what I stated was that there are issues with them that were identicle with what was going on at Cherokee, please re-read my post. The BBB has asked them for information substantiating thier claims in their advertisements and they have failed to do it. SD I suspect that you are affiliated with Jose in some way, your overture displays that. RB, I have done my own investigating (or rather should I say Jose). All I can say is enjoy the sunny weather where you are now, because this comming summer is gonna really be hot for you <wink>. It is nothing like that nice, windy Indiana weather.

at 12/20/2007 7:32:37 AM, Spec-Op said:
LOL, Gerlad you need to re investigate the facts. I have personally (wink wink) satasfied all of the BBB's requests. If you or any others on this forum wish to know about me, MY company or anything else addressed here, please contact me at swj47648@yahoo.com Thanks and have a great day.

at 12/20/2007 9:43:43 AM, Gerald said:
Thank you for your input, however I am confused. According to the BBB of Indiana the Windowtree of Indianapolis store still has it as "unsatisfactory" because of the same things mentioned once by me. So I think your issues are with the BBB and not with me or anyone else on this forum, because at the time of my posting(I can not speak for the others) the facts I stated were true; and to this minute are very much still true (which makes your statement appear to be false). <wink - wink>. So "IF" what you say is true then take your arrogance and tone of mockery to them as for me - until it is corrected it appears you are misleading. Thank you.

at 12/20/2007 9:46:10 AM, nn1945 said:
Spec-Op, I think before telling someone else to get their facts right, you should make sure you have your bases covered. If you would do that, you would not have to wear egg on your face.

at 12/20/2007 1:02:30 PM, Spec-Op said:
First you must clarify what store (s) you are referring to. I have no controll nor does Luna of a store in Indy. All Window Trees are individually owned and operated. Obviously my statement was about my location. So I am not misleading, nor to my knowledge is the store in Indy even operating due to the owners other company priorities. (he owns another buisness). Luna is no longer affiliated with the Evansville location either. Not due to anything he did or did not do, but because I do not need him. Before many people on this forum bash the owners of the stores and the owners of the store that helped get this man on his feet, you all should get your facts straight. I will nto defend Lunas convictions or wrong doings, but the man did have knowledge that has helped me tremendously. Check out news25.us for current interview with Luna giving you all more info if you would like. For those of you interested in more info again contact me at the email I provided. There is no arrogance here, only "facts" as gerald would say.

at 12/20/2007 1:38:43 PM, nn1945 said:
If you are not affiliated with the Indianapolis Store then why make a comment at all? I believe that we here in Indianapolis are expected to speak freely on what businesses are here. The comment made was about the Indianapolis store and not yours, yet your first response is to attack us (and Gerald) when initially the link speaks for itself and it speaks for the branch. Gerald did not say that you were misleading, you are taking his words and "twisting" them. What he said is as clear as a bell ... your inferance is that you own "that" company Gerald is talking about, and "if" you owned that company that the link talks about "then" you would be misleading. I am not defending Gerald, I certainly do not have to, from research and my Law Enforcement Background I have greater resources then most here probibly and he seems to be on the money with his claims. The main thing this topic started with was Mr. Luna's old business and his denying his involvement in the activities (blaiming it on his employees). Gerald stepped up to the plate and corrected the "mistruth" as he describes it. You are the one with ruffled feathers, not us.

at 12/20/2007 1:52:30 PM, Gerald said:
Spec-op, to begin with, congratulations on your business. I know that you and your partner are going to be successful. nn1945, thank you for clarifying what you have; and you are right - you do not need to defend me. Back to spec op. The link I posted clearly states what I was talking about, period. If you want to take the information, twist it and perceive it to be anything you want then that is your right. Enjoy. No one mentioned your location, no one slammed you no one directly pointed to you and said that you are a crook. A hit dog hollars and you are hollaring loud, brother. Jose Luna owes ALOT of people and he drives around in his Benz, flashing his money and yet there are people he owes back pay to, there are people he owes hard earned money that they trusted him with and you dare think we should sit back and not scrutinize where he is, who he works for and what his motives may be? Sounds like you sold your morals because I can assure you this ... my company has a very strong net worth and I would not sell my integrity nor my morals for anyone, period. Yes people change, and people can be rehabilitated; if anyone knows that I do. But you look at rehabilitation for exactly what it is, change and a change for the good at that.

at 12/20/2007 2:03:31 PM, Spec Op said:
Im not ruffled, nor did I connect to any links. There are many posts on here about where Luna started again. It was not Indy, nor was he in Indy very long (2 weeks?). As I have said, if anyone is interested on what he is doing now, what his exact roles are etc I have that info, thats all Im trying to say. The law enforcement back ground means little to me, not to say its not important but it means little in this matter. My buisness partner is a Deputy Sherriff whooppee. To say that Luna was was responsible is not a myth. But to say that none of his employees were at fault would be naive. He is more responsible than most for what happened, but alot of people got away with alot of crap. I do not have all the facts about Cherokee, but I do for Window Tree, Window Tree Systems etc. I just wanted to shed some light for the people that wanted current info, not things that happend many years ago. CEO'S in billion dollar corps that get busted for similiar crimes and pay less time and get out with tons of money in big coorporate buisness. There again this isnt to justify what he did, but it is senseless to contine to crucify him still today. BTW I dont partiulrly care for him, but he helped me build a successful buisness, and for that I thank him.

at 12/20/2007 2:19:50 PM, Spec-Op said:
No one has ever questioned who Luna owes or how much it he owes. I know he owes alot of people money. If it werent for me he would not have paid some customers back. As stated, Luna does not work for me anymore. Nor does he own the Benz you refer to. He was driving a 99 mercury cougar for a long time. (it was my old work car) Luna has a choice, file bankruptcy on what will now be a civil judgement, or contine to pay back 25% of his earnings. If he chooses to continue to pay, most will never see their money. To question my moral integrity is funny. I guess is using a guys knowledge to build a better future for my wife and family is wrong so be it, but other than that I would like to "pat" myself on the back for what I have done. I helped a man out, paid some of his debts, helped him establish a way for him to make money. I do not have to like a man, to let a man work for me. When ne did, he did things the right way, I made sure of that. He has no controll of any Window trees, day to day operations, so the odds of him getting in trouble for the same sort of crimes would be hard. However if he does it wont affect me, hopefully for him and the people he has debts with, he takes care of buisness. I would post more info and facts but I wont do it here. Gerald I would like to have a convo away from this forum, and I wouldnt mind having it via phone, if you would not mind.

at 12/22/2007 9:36:13 PM, Gerald said:
My email address is posted on this forum.

at 12/24/2007 3:11:15 PM, LIS said:
Why don't you like Luna personally? Just curious. Also, if you are not affiliated with him, who owns the name 'Window Tree'? He says he has 8 locations he's consulting. Is this not your name he's using? Or is the name 'Window Tree' owned by him? After all everything has a 'TM' after it. Who owns that 'trademarked' name?

at 12/25/2007 6:37:38 PM, Spec Op said:
Jose does own the TM (as far as I know). Honestly LIS I dont like alot of people, Im really not a people person haha. I have my reasons for it. Nothing big really, there are just personality types I do not care for. As for the other locations, yes he is a consultant for them, although I only know one other owner on a personal level. As far as what he does fo rthem Im not sure, he put sales on the board and trained my sales associates and set up my vendors. Other than that he did nothing for me, so I assume it is the same at the other locations. I hope this helps in some manner. I do know he was married, I dont believe he had children. I did not know Jose back then, Ive only known him for about a year. His past was not irrelevant to me, but I only needed his insight on how to get started, and thats all I cared to know.

at 12/26/2007 7:38:46 AM, LIS said:
Thank you for your post. Merry Christmas.

at 12/28/2007 5:22:43 AM, Jackie said:
I have a question for Spec-Op! In reference to your post on 12/20/07, could you share your information on the whereabouts of Jose Luna at this time? Thank You!

at 12/28/2007 5:33:17 PM, Mac said:
Jackie, I think it was mentioned that he was south in the sunny areas (refering to the State of Florida). There is a poster here named Gerald that seems to be very informed of his activities. His email address is posted somewhere in here as well. I have actually had the chance to meet him resently. He actually drove 9 hours to visit with me. He has a ton of information and is following Jose seemingly close. If i remember correctly he has a P.I. that is doing a lot of things for him. You might want to try to get in touch with him.

at 12/28/2007 7:38:12 PM, Gerald said:
To all those that are reading this post: I would like to say that if I have implicated Spec-op as being associated with Jose Luna more then having ownership of a Windowtree store to please trust me when I say the following ... In my questions and through information I believe to be solid, this person and his business are seporate from Jose Luna. What I mean to say is that his ownership of his store is exactly that, Spec-op owns it and his affiliation with Jose Luna is minimal. He owns this business and is trying to live right and run his business completely legal and seporate from Jose Luna. I believe that this person is a person of truth and his intentions are to serve his customers with a quality product at a fair price; followed by good service. If anyone has any questions please email me at geraldc476@yahoo.com and In will disclose any information necessary and answer any questions that I can at this time.

at 12/29/2007 4:57:09 AM, Jackie said:
Mac, thank you for responding!

at 12/29/2007 10:37:11 AM, Jackie said:
Gerald, I tried three times to email you. I just keep getting a delivery status notification of permanent failure.

at 12/30/2007 6:01:04 AM, Gerald said:
Jackie my email is live and active, I do not know why that is happening. Everyone I get emails from. try typing it all in lowercaps : geraldc476@yahoo.com

at 1/4/2008 7:32:40 AM, Spec Op said:
Actually Jose was in Indy for a few days for something?? Sorry for no tresponding sooner, my father in law is in ICU through the Holidays until now. Gerald I appreciate your comments, hopefully it will clear some things up for me. And yes I believe that Jose will be down south and staying in that region. I have not spoke with him for about 3 weeks so Im not 100% on his exact location.

at 1/8/2008 7:10:29 AM, Mac said:
I have nothing against Gerald, nor the comment he made for Spec op, but I will say this ... Jose might not be a "direct" part of that Window Tree, but he ownes the TM. The stores are individually known but they have to pay types of Royalty fees. That means that Jose is making money hand over fist and he continues to set up other stores .. all the while the past customers remain "bilked" while Jose is laughing. As long as there is a Window Tree store and Jose remains involved, no matter where he goes he will never pay back those that he took advantage of. That is sad.

at 1/9/2008 3:34:27 AM, Gerald said:
Mac, I assure you that all I have been doing is gathering information. When the time comes, TRUST me it will come soon, there will be large media attention. I have to still sit down with my attorney to make sure that I get all of my eggs in a row. Jose puts himself off as being a super intelligent person and he has used the "my attorney" threat in the past so I want to make sure that I am rightful in saying the things I will. This man can sit back and laugh at the people he took advantage of so ... I promise this - I can cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars. I have done it once, and I will do it again. So calm down, lol. You have seen the video I have and you have heard the interviews I taped. I will make another trip to visit you and the others before I do anything. Trust me friend at the right time Jose will once again have egg on his face.

at 1/10/2008 9:16:44 AM, Spec Op said:
correction Mac, there are no Royalties, and up front payment is all. Jose makes his money from the manufacturer on product that is ordered. This I know....

at 1/11/2008 10:20:10 AM, Nick said:
I met Mr. Luna in person yesterday. I was interviewing for a spot at windowtreedirect.com I am a salesman and I install windows and siding. I drove 3 hours to meet this man. He is very convincing, and really talented at what he does, bad or good. I feel sorry for the contractors along with the homeowners that get "took" in these scams. FOR EVERYONES INFO HE DID DRIVE A REALLY NICE NICE BENZ. We met a Borders, where I recieved the windowtree pitch, and member contract. Can anyone help advise me or talk to me about this company, and its honest background. My task as described by Mr. Luna is to head up sales in Indianapolis, controlling ordering, appointments, and sub-contractors. Has anyone else gotten this offer or paid this man to be a part of windowtree or pay for leads? Who is Rick Bogacki? and if you are real Rick contact me to talk, J.C. AKA JOSE has my number.. If anyone out there does need a good salesman or mangager in Indy I have my resume. I have never ripped off one client or person I''ve done work for, even when there wasn''t a proffit to be made.. You can find out a little more at NPExteriors.com Thanks for all of your ears

at 1/11/2008 4:05:18 PM, Anonymous said:
Here''s a little insight into how Gerald knows Mr. Luna...Gerald worked for a company based in Atlanta, Georgia called ABC Seamless...The owner of that company contacted Mr. Luna in reference to becoming a Cherokee Windows...They met together and then opened up Cherokee in Atlanta, soon after, that store was closed tfor reasons unknown to me...Anyways, after that store close, Gerald got in contact with Mr. Luna begging him for an opportunity to become part of Cherokee...To make a long story short, Gerald went to work for Luna in Indy about a month prior to Lunas car accident...Before that, Gerald had no prior involvement with Mr. Luna...It just boggles my mind to think that someone that only knew Mr. Luna for a very short time could possibly be that obsessed with him. It''s kinda psycho (if you ask me), I could understand if Gerald was one of the customers that paid and didn''t get what they paid for!!! Seriously, am i the only one that is freaked out by this...I mean, who is this gerald guy and why does he care so much and to hire a P.I. to follow Mr. Luna around is down right insane...Gerald why do you care so much about what Luna is doing, what are you gaining from all of this...Are you homo or something, do you have some underlying frustration towards Mr. Luna??? That sounds a little far-fetched and crazy, but Gerald is kinda acting like a stalker and stalkers are usually associated with jealousy and failed relationships and this whole thing is ludacris...Gerald, you must be really really intimidated by Luna and it sounds like you will do anything to keep him from succeeding...Keep on trying though bub, cause all your doing by keeping Luna in the publics eye is giving him free advertising...He''s gonna succeed no matter what you do, so just stop wasting your time and give up on trying to take him down bub...You gotta have something better to do with your time Gerry...Get a life and quit worrying about what others are doing...Ohhh yeah, this is in reference to Nick...Rick Bogacki is co-owner of window tree evansville and is a deputy on the warrick county sheriffs department and also owns another company!!!! P.S. Everyone reading this, please open yours eyes and think about all of this for a second...Ask Gerald why he is doing all of this and quit casting judgement on someone for past mistakes, we all make them and hell murderers and drug dealers have been under less scrutiny than this Luna guy...Save the judgment for God and go about your day to day lives not worrying about this...Life is too short PEOPLE!!!!

at 1/11/2008 5:08:01 PM, Nick said:
To Mr Anonymous, I am not personally attacking you J.C. I dont care what you did. Like I told you my only concern is with My name and my company. I would have liked to know the co-owner or felt that honesty. Jose I dont feel that Gerald or anyone should throw stones. I met you and it was very pleasant unfortunately I dont have the money to lose, by joining WindowTree and Windowtree has nothing but money to gain by someone like me coming on board. I am refering to you as Jose because of our earlier phone conversation. You called Gerald a Homo and used the work Bub. So I feel I can confidently say that its you. Jose I would like to have a good relationship with you and have no doubt youll make fortunes, I stand here a simple young man not afraid to USE MY NAME, Nick. And you cany use yours Jose come out an talk to me and to all the people that are talking about you. For god sake dont hide behind Anonymous. I will leave it at that. You wouldnt be where your at if your father didnt give you an s-10 and help you get started. Am I correct? One tire on your Benz is worth what your asking as a initial investment, and there are hundreds of people that have broken promises. I noticed Steve responded in saying you were not in a Benz well you are. And you make no effort to repay that debt to all those families that lost, with Cherokee. I am small time, but I wont get taken..

at 1/11/2008 5:22:16 PM, Anonymous said:
That Benz is only worth about 35,000 and it does not belong to Luna, just because you drive something does not mean that it's yours...Things aren't always what they seem...FYI NICK whoever you are, this isn't Luna and none of what is going on has anything to do with you...

at 1/11/2008 5:34:51 PM, Nick said:
you are right J.C. I will stay out of all of this.. Thanks for your time

at 1/11/2008 5:54:14 PM, unknown said:
I think you said it when u said it anonymous. "Thing are not always as they seem", I personally know Luna or should I say knew Luna, and that is exactly what the defintion of this man is "Not what it seems" He probably owns the Benz and a few others, all Cherokee money that should have been repayed. To all of you out there Gerald, Steve, Anonymous, Nick your all wasting your time talking about this guy or for that matter talking to this guy. He lives like a leach and will always live like a leach. He thrives off of these blogs, and he thrives off the attention. And the night he got his leg cut off, I was there we was drinking heavily and usually did. Please beware of this man all of you he is dangerous not just in a financial way. It is easier to make money the dishonest way in America today unfortunately Jose thrives on that and always have. I knew him when he started Cherokee out of his apartment. Good luck to all that decide to actually fall for anything he has to say. P.S. Your windows still aren't coming and wont be even now.

at 1/12/2008 5:14:16 AM, Gerald said:
Well Jose (or what ever name you want to call yourself)I must have struck a nerve. As for the comments you made "trying" to discredit me, what proof you got? I have boxes of proof, with real honest names, times and dates and a lot more to back myself up with. To hear you spew your venum tells me that this is directly affecting you - GOOD! Listen here you parasite, I am here and I have been for a very long time. You threatened to kill me once and you hurt my family with your dishonesty and your lies. You still lie to the public, you still lie to individuals and you are lieing to the one you are in a relationship with now! When are you going to stop? Greed is pretty bad brother, and it has eaten you up. You are going to end up hurting everyone around you, again, becasue you care for no one but yourself. It is only a matter of time before you, and Joe get another wake up call .. not to name a few more (but I will not reveil everything just yet). I follow you becasue you are like a roach, you spread your filth and your disease everywhere you go. You have never been honest with yourself and you sure are not honest now. As for the company I worked with in Atlanta, why don't we call Mr. Mitchell and ask him why you are claiming that He (a proven millionaire) went bankrupt (when neither him nor his companies did). Also, while we are at it, why don't we ask him about the money he paid you and the lack in support you gave him after you snagged me away from him with your empty dreams and promises? There was NEVER a Cherokee Atlanta, you set yourself up as a distributor to Don and myself, get your lies straight. And for the record Jose, you called me asking me to come to Cherokee. Jose, I am not stalking you brother, trust me before I began all of this I had a long talk with a personal friend of mine that is a judge and my attorney. I do this because you took advantage of me as well. You stole money from me too. If you remember my last three pay checks bounced and I was left in Indy holding an empty bag. You owed me back pay and refused to pay it. You know I STILL have the recorded conversation between you and me? I also still have the one when you called and left me a message saying that you owed alot of people that would never get paid. You threatened my life Jose. Your tone in your reply on this blog is one of panic and frustration ... good. Remember this Jose, I cost you A LOT of money last time, and I will do it this time as well. Jose you owe a lot of people money, people that need to be repaid but do not have the finances nor the energy to come after you ... I do. Get yourself another attorney Jose, trust me, it will not be long before you will need another it. You and yours think that you have your back ends covered and you really have no idea.

at 1/12/2008 6:53:54 AM, nn1945 said:
The weasel has been drawn from it's hole, I see. Gerald certainly is doing his job well and it has its effects. I have met him and I can assure you and anyone else, this man has his ducks in a row. He carries this issue with Jose Luna back before ever meeting him. I am a retired investigator for the State and I am also a retired instructor for the government ... after meeting Gerald and seeing the information he has gathered I am very impressed with his methods and their results. I feel as if I trained him myself. This person calling themself "Anonymus" sounds like either Jose or someone hooked to the hip of Jose. I will bet my quarter that it is Jose. I can not wait till more information comes out, because I know what Gerald has, and it will open many eyes to the personality of this Jose Luna; even his current personality. There ARE past Cherokee employees involved with windowtree, as many of us suspected. Grab your popcorn folks and settle in - this is going to get really good.

at 1/12/2008 7:14:02 AM, Disg. Homeowner said:
You can be sure as you sleep at night there are people on this guy, round the clock. Gerald isn't the only one with a case built against Jose. Hey Jose, nice to know your in Indiana and doing business again. Gerald's evidence by the was in person is overwhelming, he must have spent thousands, against Luna. Someone doesn't do that unless they are tying to seek some sort of a justice not a revenge. I am almost positive that Cherokee employees are at bay with Jose, at least some. I have a feeling that this is going to be very entertaining over at windowtree

at 1/12/2008 7:58:28 AM, DMGwinette said:
Hello everyone, especially Mr. Luna. This i s Don, do you remember me Jose? You made a comment about me in this forum and I am here to tell you, watch it! I have never filed bankruptcy and I never will. I did not call upon you, you called upon me. For reasons too long to describe you spoke with myself about selling your product I would not be a Cherokee becasue I already owned a company. I invested my money and time with you and your guys came down and installed the sunrooms and windows that Gerald and I pushed - by the way, every job had major issues and I lost a lot of money. Gerald was the General Manager of my company and did a wonderful job. I hated to lose him but you offered him something I could not give him at that time, and being a family man if I was in his position at that time I would have taken your offer as well. Jose you got what was coming to you once and by gosh you are getting it again. The only reason why I did not sue you (and I could have easily) was becasue it was not worth the expense and frustration, so I wrote it off - affordability was not even a concern. Please keep me and my business out of your problems Jose, thank you.

at 1/12/2008 9:23:16 AM, Gerald said:
Originally posted by Anonymus ... ["Ask Gerald why he is doing all of this and quit casting judgement on someone for past mistakes, we all make them and hell murderers and drug dealers have been under less scrutiny than this Luna guy...Save the judgment for God and go about your day to day lives not worrying about this...Life is too short PEOPLE!!!!"] I am sorry, I just can not leave this little quote alone. Jose you are so sloppy in covering your tracks it is deplorable. "Life is too short" ... it is Jose, it is too short for me, it is too short for you and it is too short for the people you took from (and it is too short for those you try to take advantage of now). I do what I do because no one else will - they are BROKE!, you took their money. The reason why others are not scrutinized the way you are being is because you are doing it AGAIN! And you have boasted about getting away with what you have! I wish I could link the recording to this blog! In time Jose in due time. By the way, the next time you take a pretty girl to dinner look around you, you might notice someone you recognize sitting DIRECTLY BEHIND you. I must admit, that was really funny and it could not happen like that again in a hundred years. You mention God Jose, tsk tsk - God does not like to be tempted, nor mocked.

at 1/12/2008 9:33:24 AM, Unknown said:
Well Spoken Gerald, I will be contacting you outside this forum this week, and giving you all that I have on this guy as well. The further I search the deeper it gets. I believe until they lock him up he is dangerous. As long as he's out I think he will be A HOUSEHOLD NAME BEWARE CONSUMERS!!!!!!!!! Windowtree Jose Luna J.C. Luna and associates BEWARE CONSUMERS!!!!!!!!!

at 1/12/2008 9:46:49 AM, ToosmartUSA said:
We have been watching this for a long time and after reading certain comments I felt that it was time to say something. Jose luna tried to get my wife and I to buy into the Window Tree concept, after hours of prayer and trying to research the company and its representative; we declined to participate. We knew nothing of Mr. Luna other then we felt he was aggressive, arrogant and would not liten to our questions. He was not genuine when talking to us and we felt that there was more to the story then what he was telling. When we notified Mr. Luna about our decision he seemed very upset and his tone was offensive. We are glad to have him out of our little town.

at 1/12/2008 1:51:42 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
If anyone needs to talk with me I am one of the partners of the Window Tree Of Evansville. My email is rbogacki@servitor-financial.com

at 1/12/2008 2:17:33 PM, UpsetinIndy said:
Is this the same rb that spoke so bad about Gerald in the beginning of this blog? Just curious.

at 1/12/2008 2:26:47 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
Yes. That is me. I will speak with anyone who is interested in knowing the TRUTH about Window Tree.

at 1/12/2008 2:42:25 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
at 11/7/2007 8:25:37 PM, rb said: This comment was not posted by Rick Bogacki. I posted the first or second comment on this blog about people being jealous. I am re-reading this article I was not aware of the comment about J.C being a (HOUSEHOLD NAME) or the comment made by rb about his molestation case.

at 1/12/2008 5:18:13 PM, LIS said:
So who do you think would use your initials? I am sure who ever it was is an upstanding person and worth defending. Doesn't it even raise your eyebrow a little Rick? Jose says he's changed. The easiest way to say you have changed is to cloak yourself in God and call yourself a Christian. But he uses it. He preys on Christians because they understand a changed man living in an unforgiving world. However, God is Love. What is love? Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Jose, 'the changed' Jose...has caused such grief. It's not about money. It's about people. I know stories that don't involve a dollar. My fellow Christians. Prayer will give you the right answer. A man of God is defined in the Bible. It is your guide and your answer to whether you should do business or not. If you choose too or if you choose not too. There will always be a lesson in the path you take.

at 1/12/2008 6:11:42 PM, NICK said:
Jose who is ViWinTech why are they a part of your contract, Supplier?, the contract is a "Guaranty Of Business Indebtness" This company is listed as the Debtor to the account?" What office space can we set down at and discuss with a few of your other obvious associates about a legitimate business proposal. Will you be willing to meet with my attorney and I about your proposal for the INDY Store? Since the launch date for all windowtree stores is at the end of the month, I am willing to arrange a meeting with my associates and yours in Evansville, Indianapolis, Orlando where ever you prefer? Can you also bring your articles of incorporation and some what of a track record that you've had since your release from prison. and finally Provide me with account info to make a secured wire to your account for the startup, if you decide to meet with me again?, Thanks J.C. Luna and Steve and Rick and Josh I look forward to hearing from you Jose? Don't disapoint me. Afterall you sold yourself. P.S. It looks like weve had quite a few people come out to play in the past few days, I glad to have Rick enlightning us and straightena few things out, and Gerald of course. But I am still haven't her J.C. talking?.?. I am not scrutinizing at the moment just honestly curious why you have backed out anonymous..

at 1/12/2008 6:20:45 PM, TCPIndy said:
I go on vacation, come back and a war is broken out. I am a disgruntled customer and Jose Luna took advantage of my family. He deserves whatever he gets.

at 1/12/2008 6:25:40 PM, Gerald said:
Hey Rick, who do you think you are to attack me? That comment you made was unfair, biased and out of line. I can assure you Jose is doing no better then me, bank on that (and please forgive my pride speaking there). However, in all fairness, I appreciate your honesty and I appreciate you coming forward. It shows that you have integrity and that is more than I can say about Jose.

at 1/12/2008 8:33:49 PM, N/A said:
Okay everyone, It seems that this boils down to a few simple things. We have 3 or 4 people claiming to have offers from Jose @ Window tree direct or window tree systems or whatever. We have 2 former assosiates denouncing this person. We have 2 current associates, or are you, who are backing Jose. And the rest seem to have already been ripped off by Jose. The odds are stacking up in this small little forum. The more people talk the more info can be found on all these organizations in general web searches. Which is really what I think we all want. So when you type in say www.windowtreedirect.com Jose Luna J.C. Luna Cherokee Windows Window Tree Systems windowtree@gmail.com (Jose's email) or lots of other words like that combined, it can be affective. If anyone here in Indy needs full contact info including whereabouts and phone numbers for Jose or J.C. Let me know, and I can produce. ONLY ON THIS FORUM NO NAMES OR COMMUNICATION. SORRY JOSE.

at 1/12/2008 9:12:57 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
As I have said before J.C. does not work for the Window Tree OF Evasnville. To Gerald; the comment that was made about you on 11/27/2007 was not made by the REAL Rick Bogacki refer to previous entry above. 1/12/2008 To Lis Love also never Fails I am not defending Jc as far as his Christianity, only God knows someones heart. The only thing I will say is that Window Tree in Evansville has helped hundreds of people who are very happy with what we have done. Steve and I are dedicated to running a Godly and reputable business

at 1/12/2008 10:20:17 PM, 5windows5yearsago said:
Why in the channel 6 news report, it states that you are currently J.C.'s employer and that you believe everyone deserves a second chance. If your not his Boss now were you six months ago?? Seems strange that your his Boss when on the news and then a former assosiate in consulting now. I really dont care. just curious. Jose I honestly feel sorry for you at this point b/c if you have turned your life around you dont deserve all this.

at 1/12/2008 10:21:11 PM, 5windows5yearsago said:
That last question was directs at Rick.

at 1/13/2008 11:41:49 AM, Rick Bogacki said:
Yes I was his boss months ago however, it was a short term agreement. The most recent interview was on chn 6 but I cant find it. If anyone can find it let me know.

at 1/13/2008 1:28:36 PM, Ms.Bryant said:
Why is Gerald doing this? What motive is behind what he is doing? People change and deserve a second chance. Gerald is a stalker? No Anonymus, Mr. Luna is the crook, he is the one that is evil. Let me give you just a short explanation of what Jose Luna did to me. On August 13, 2001 I had a salesman from Cherokee come to my home. That person was the owner along with another employee. They were here for two hours. I purchased a sunroom for 17,325.00 to go on the back of my home. Becasue I had no money in the bank I signed bank papers and was approved. While waiting for my sunroom I got a payment from the bank. I was suppossed to have been approved for a deferred loan but it was a standard loan. I called Cherokee and tried to get in touch with Mr. Luna but only a Mr. Moon would call me back. I spoke with this man twice and he kept putting me off. Finally I got a call from someone about my sunroom. I never got my sunroom and I was stuck with a payment. The bank told me that I had to pay the loan until I could prove there was fraud. Being poor, I could not afford a lawyer. Now I was paying a loan that I could not afford and my credit was lowered in three months becasue I was late every month. I am a widow and on social security. I am not very good with computers but my daughter told me of this and I needed to speak my peace. Mr. Luna, you destroyed my life, you took money that I never had and it cost me dearly. I nearly lost my home because of you. If I had not had intervention from my community, family and church I would have been in the poor house. If I had money today I would give it to this young man after you. I am now 72 years old. My memory is not what it used to be but I remember this guy and the company. Other then the death of my dear husband, this company is the worse thing that I have ever been through.

at 1/13/2008 5:03:44 PM, Gerald said:
Just FYI, fishing has never been your best game JC/Jose/Etc. I am quite aware of your vain attempts. The wonderful thing about "feeding" is when someone is really hungry and you have control of the food you can make sure whether they get protein or plain old filler.

at 1/14/2008 2:56:14 AM, Martha said:
My name is Martha and I live in Louisville. I found out a few months ago about the owner of Cherokee going back into business. I want to tell everyone here why I think you should not do business with him or for any company he sets up for that part. My husband and I bought 16 windows from this mans company. The windows are not what we were shown and we have had nothing but trouble with them. He never sent his guys out to service them and when I got another company to come look at them we were told that most of the windows were too small for the framing. I and my husband tried to get this company to fix our windows and all we got was lies and more lies. I spoke with the owner one time and he assured me that everything would be taken care of, but it was not. I really believed him because he was so nice and polite, but in truth he was a liar. We eventually saved money and had most of them replaced with windows that fit. Our overall cost combined was 15,000. Mr. Luna, you are a bad person and you have hurt good people. From what I can read, you are about to hurt many more. I will be praying for your soul as I always have. I need to get off to work now, I have people that need their homes cleaned.

at 1/14/2008 4:16:45 AM, Voice of Reason said:
I have felt compelled to write this to all of the believers who are here on this forum. This make not make sense to everyone else. Please check you hearts and check with God as to the things that are being said here. God has told us that vengence belongs to Him. Don''t you think if God wanted to take this man out, that He could in an instant? And do you believe that God has called on you for help in this matter? I just know that I would not want to stand before God and know that I may have been a stumbling block for this man, instead of someone who behaved the way God has commanded us to be. Please check yourselves. Your concern for this person should cause you to pray for him, not try to destroy him. Only God knows his heart. And if you feel that the world needs to know... well, what if this person is trying to change? You give him no chance for a new beginning, and that will fall on you. As far as business, i read this guy Nick and it sounds to me that because of this forum, that made him not do it. But if Nick is honest, then why couldn''t someone consult him how to do a business, then Nick goes on to run an honest business? I mean maybe Nick and his family just lost out on a good opportunity. All, i say is please check your hearts with God, that your intentions are pure, just, loving, that is all. I do believe this forum should stop. I want to say that Rick, you sound like a quality person, your focus is right, may you prosper in life. I will pray for all of you.

at 1/14/2008 6:22:49 AM, Jesse said:
It's not only Jose Luna you have to watch out for, it's also his brother Ryan Lantz. They hire the sorriest contractors to do their work for the lowest price. Ryan tried to start another business after he and Luna ran Cherokee in ground, call Tectonic. If you deal with either of these guys and you get ripped off, you deserve it, because you have ample warning.

at 1/14/2008 11:03:35 AM, Believer said:
Voice of Reason, in due time you will sit back hurt and confused, blinded by the flesh vs the True Word of God. God gives His children the right to judge (discern) righteously. He also chastens His children through the church and its believers. He did this with Lott, with Moses, with Ruth, with Paul and countless other believers. He warns us to stay away from wolves in sheeps clothing and he also tells us that there are those using His name for their own gain. God is love, but God can also be an angry God. He does not take kindly to mockery, I think in this guys case God allows people to see the truth and maybe here lies God's voice imploring him to "repent" and for him to cease his evil. Let me ask you a question, if you saw a man walking in a park and pick pocketing from helpless victims .. if God gave you the ability to see that and your heart wanted you to help but you didn't, what do you think God would say to that?

at 1/14/2008 11:25:45 AM, NICK said:
I would like it if people would quit trying to prove something to me, as you can all see there has been a few references to me in this forum. I think I would like to only talk business w/ attorneys at this point, about any business proposals. My familiy will not gain from having a bad reputation because of a business affiliation with a criminal.. Now if someone brings something to the table I and my associates are in Indy and waiting for a phonecall, lets play ball you want me to run windowtree Indy. We can meet at my office, or my attorney's office. No scam there, no religion, and whats in it for me dont you think it will cost me for a consultation like this to be arranged. And Mr. Luna I already paid to come meet you in person. Otherwise, I would like for no one to refer to me. Before I start throwing my money along with Gerald's into an investigation, I have been waiting for a reply, when are you and your associates willing to meet. Because I have not been swayed by the comments on this board, I met you. I dont need anyone to tell me how to think. You got my proposal and I have the Money Jose lets make it legal, I found your contract to be insufficient for the proposal set forth. Email me and lets set an appointment. If you want otherwise like I said, DO NOT REFER TO ME IN THIS FORUM....

at 1/14/2008 12:28:00 PM, Gerald said:
Voice of Reason, I know exactly who you are and I understand your position and the plea you make. I believe in God and I wish to say a few things. To add, "Believer" your words are true and I hope that I take nothing from what you say; I just want to enumerate. Reason, You say that we can not "judge". Mat 7:1 "judge not lest ye be ...", the word judge there comes from the greek word Krino/Kree-no which in this scripture means "to condemn". We can not condemn mankind, only God can. Yet we are told in John 7:24 "...judge righteously" which is also a darivative of the greek word Krino/kree-no which is to "call into question". We, as believers, are given a task from God to do so. That is how we are capable of determining the "wheat from the chaff" or the "goat from the sheep". Christians, and the church are mandated to collaberate with one another for the edification of the church. God gives us the gifts of the Spirit for that (I Corinthians chapter 12), the manisfestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. There is even an ability spoken of in the Bible called discerning of spirits. Did you know that Paul "confronted Peter" for acting wrong amungst the believers (Galatians 2:11). I would like to believe that these victims' ..."prayers and ... alms are come up for a memorial before God" (Acts 10:4) that they may recieve justice. Jesus says that there are going to be those that use His name for their own profit and those people have their reward Mat 6:2 (a reward not up in heaven). We are all given a blessed signature from the "Father of Light", we are recounted to recognize one another by the fruit we bear. Is it good fruit or is it bad fruit. Listen, Christ explanes in this passage that BOTH trees produced fruit ... one produced GOOD fruit and the other produced BAD fruit. Christ also describes that the tree that produced BAD fruit would be cut down. Christ also speaks of people using His name and performing miricles and denying them the Kingdom (because HE never knew them). Belivers have the aptitude to see into the hearts of people, the Bible says this. In conclusion to this theological confabulation with this Christ instructs that if any man comes to the alter having an issue with his brother, that he is to leave his offering at the alter, seek out his brethren and correct that wrong, thenreturn to the alter. This man uses people to acquire things for him (keeping them out of his name) so that he has for himself yet appears to have nothing. He lines his pockets first vs returning to them he took from. Today I have desided to have a website professionaly designed. This site will have two audio recordings and several video recordings of this "God fearing", "repented", "faithful", "changed", person and the truth will be there for all to see. This site will have scanned documents. This person can stop it, if he does what is right. Sad to say, he cares not, he is willing to allow everything to shaim him and he will only relocate and do the same again (and I will be there too). He only cries out to his church and acquaintances now because he can "get" from them. It is the truth that he fears will cause those involved to withdrawl and abandon him. He is VERY afraid of this. Trust this - stop doing for him, stop giving to him and watch him crawl on his belly like the snake he is and slither away.

at 1/14/2008 12:56:17 PM, It''s ME! said:
HAHAHA Every single one of you need to find something better to do with your time. The man has made mistakes, made them right with those he screwed and is well on his way to being an honest successful business man. I don''t like him. I don''t agree with what he did but I DO think everyone deserves a second chance. This is his. If he screws it up... then we all have the right to be saying ^^ all of the above. Until then. SHUT UP! By the way he drives a 96 Cougar and that''s it.

at 1/14/2008 1:08:53 PM, Gerald said:
Hello Ryan? Tell us all, how has he made it right with those he wronged? His time was served for the laws he broke, never is time in prison to reflect payment in full. The supreme court says that.

at 1/14/2008 3:17:25 PM, Third Chance said:
Ryan, of all people you should know that this is a THIRD chance. Who's idea was it to ger her out of the car? It's so easy to find people from long ago willing to talk. How about YOU SHUT UP or would you like to play chicken with the TRUTH?

at 1/14/2008 3:41:04 PM, Gerald said:
Thank you everyone that has been contacting me. I have tons of information, a lot of it I have verified and there is yet a lot more that still needs to be. If you have any information that may assist me please contact me at geraldc476@yahoo.com More and more people continue to come out of the wood work. These are people that have been hurt and crushed by this man, these are people that JOse calims have been paid back by his serving time. These are people that will never be paid back for their money they trusted to him. Yet when people seek justice "they" are trying to "hold him back". when these people ask for what the state court ordered him to reimburse "they" are putting their noses in his business and being judgemental. In ALL of this NO ONE, not ONE that has defended this convicted crook has made a plea for the victims. Most have a vested interest with this guy and therfore do as expected. THAT is sad.

at 1/14/2008 4:37:33 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
I do expect J.C to pay back what the court ordered him to pay back. No one can make him do it however, I know of 2 families that while J.C was working in Evasnville They were paid back. I do care about all the people hurt by what happened with J.C. The people at the Window Tree in Evansville did what we could to help some of the people that contacted us. Also people can change, Im not saying J.C. Has but people can. I really wonder about people who call themselves Christians and act contrary to the word of God. Including some of the people who have responded to this blog. We all need to remember Saul "a Sinner of which I am the worst" He was changed. Also I have no vested interest in what happens to J.C I am going to continue to live my life according to Gods will,I wonder about everyone else who responds to this blog. I would not expect non-believers to understand giving a person a second chance. The Bible talks about forgiveness. 1Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. 23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven

at 1/14/2008 4:38:54 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
by the way that is Matt 18:21,22

at 1/14/2008 6:14:50 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
Why do people feel like this is a blog for insulting. We have to remember that the reason for this blog is to help people. People have a right to let other people know about persons/business they should stay away from. This should not be a place to attack people. We all have a right to voice our opinion.

at 1/14/2008 6:37:32 PM, Nick said:
Rick Should I stay away from Jose? Or should I take on Window tree Indy?

at 1/14/2008 6:47:36 PM, Reason said:
I agree with Rick, there is so much evident hatred here. How much of your lives have you wasted trying to seek revenge on Jose? This anger and hate will eat you alive, and then who wins here? Jose? It's time to move on folks, forgive and forget...otherwise your life will be totally consumed and with what to show for it?? Time, money, relationships lost because of your constant obsession with revenge! Wow. Don't be that guy. Do you really think a convicted "con-artist" would be dumb enough to return to the very same city he "schnooked" and do it again?!? C'mon, he's not that stupid folks...especially if he's guilty of all the intricate deception you claim. The fact is, only God knows a man's heart and if he's changed...and only God will judge (to repeat another voice of reason posted above). If he really is as bad as you claim he is, he will be undone with time and will be caught...until then guys, let it die already. As one post said, "LIFE IS TOO SHORT!" Focus on the good and stop being the victim, be the VICTOR. I sure hope people can take this as what it's meant to be, a gentle nudge to just move on, not an attack against anyone who may or may not have been cheated by Mr. Luna.

at 1/14/2008 6:53:59 PM, Lost Sleep said:
Nick, Is all of this worth the money? It will never end. It will always be this way. If you have a family ask your wife. You are making a choice on a lifestyle not just a business. No family should be put through this by choice.

at 1/15/2008 4:00:46 AM, Jesse said:
Ryan?!!??? Ryan Lantz?? Are you poking your tiny little head in here? Been hiding for a while now haven't you. Went from HERO to ZERO in a matter of months. Not only have the customers suffered, and there were hundreds, but also every employee at Cherokee Windows and your fledgling company Tectonic lost weeks of pay when you wrote all those bad checks to them. I still have all of mine, four or five at least. Yeah Ryan, it must suck to have to hide from everyone. Last I heard, you were working "gofor boy" on a window crew, since you don't have the skill to actually install a window properly. Lets not forget that almost every job Cherokee and Tectonic did, was defective. Most required return trips. Of course, those are the jobs that actually got done. Afterall, you know you took that money you received from all those customers and spent it on your lavish Fishers life style. You did knowingly write bad checks to all your vendors and employees. In the end, no vendor would sell you windows, and all employees left because they weren't getting paid. Your name is and always will be mud in Indiana. My advice is to move, because whenever you show up, I'll be there you POS! It's not only me and never will only be me. You should never have a chance to rip anyone off again!

at 1/15/2008 5:34:49 AM, Gerald said:
Reason and Rick. Why do you think keeping the "warning lable" live on Jose is "judging him". Rick you stay in communications with Jose and though it may be becasue he owes you or it is the godly thing to do - remember this, he takes advantage of people and used the God thing to get what he wants. I know he has cried about this blog and I know that it is hurting him. It should. You know he is selling the Window Tree concept for as cheap as 500.00? What about the ones he took 10,000 from for the same thing? And what of the ones he took money from and never did a thing? What of his continued lies to you about your shares? Did you know that he has a Window Tree in Nashville? You getting any of that? You know ViWyntech has been sending that store orders? I think Jose tried to find a house there - I am unsure if he got it or not, but I bet that is a con as well. Today I am contacting the State''s Attorney''s office in ref to ViWyntech .. he is suppossed to be getting a kick back from them, he is also suppossed to be paying back people he wronged. You see this continued behavior of conning people and you and (possibly) his girlfriend keep pleaing on this site for him? And yes [Reason] a convicted con would try returning to the town he was charged in to continue his charade. They do it all of the time. If he is as stupid to make the comments that has been made here, he is as stupid to make any mistake. He still denies his wrong in cherokee, he still blames it on his employees, he accepts VERY little responsibility to this VERY day. Yet he goes to church (Rick) and he combs the congregation for helpless bleeding hearts and uses their pity (Deb) to venture forward with his lies. Do you actually think I do not know what he is telling people? You actually think that God is working with this man? I think this man has no true consept of God''s love, if he did he would make his life right. Do you actually buy into his "second chance" retoric? The man is a drug addict, he is a common thief and a liar - how many people have to step forward today (that he has resntly conned or is trying to ) and say HELLO? before you people defending him say, "Wow". Judas betrayed Christ and was punished. Christ gave him every oportunity to back out and he did not, he betrayed Christ. Christ said, "it was best that man was never born". I have no hate for this man, start form the beginning and read my posts. I actually speak highly of his capabilities. You say no one knows the heart but God, the Bible says different. We can know the heart as well. Yall say that there is time, money and relationship lost becasue of revenge? I seek no revenge, I sek justice - you have NOT sat across the table form some of these lovely people that lost thier money, I have. I am married and have three wonderful healthy kids (I have lost no relationship). Money? Heck no, I am quite comfortable financially. It feels wonderful knowing that I can walk into any bank anywhere in the country go up to its ATM machine and take out what I need. (I know someone who can not right now). He will be undone in time if he is as bas as the blog says? Do not be such a pasifist. What if it is your mother, wife, siter or your best friend that he was fixing to take next? Would you sit back and let it happen or would you step up to the plate and say No! That is what I am doing now. You see his personality through the venoom he spews in this column, if you "think" you know Jose then you know that is him, he uses the "bub" word and he has always spelt my name wrong. I know it is him and you do too, yet he is defended and you try to make some of us cowar away becasue we stand forth and say "this man has done enough, and he must be stopped"? Waste our lives seeking revenge on Jose? OMG if that was the case I could have broken him down MANY times, becasue I was behind him once and across the room from him another time. No it is not revenge, it is the justice that the state could not hand out. Has Jose ever once come on this site and said the truth? Has he? NO, he willnot becasue he knows that the truth is out there and if he does this blog will explode. Has he ever said he was sorry? No! he never will. You see, that is the difference between repentance and denial. And Josh, please brother - there are many ways you will be successful. You have the energy, you have the self motivation you have the loyalty as well. Focus on the right thing and not the quick and easy (it is not real). I know you "want to be a millionaire", who doesn''t. But there are better ways. Do not get left holding the bag. And finally Jose - (because I know you are reading this) why are you so angry? You have never liked people to figure you out and you do not like it now. You like to be in conbtrol and in truth you like to tell yourself you are - but you really are not (and you know it). You are a very charismatic person, you can do anything - I mean ANYTHING - if you put your heart and mind to it. You talk of God on minute and then "ho''s" the next. Jose give up and give to God. You know the tallents you have were given to you by God. The bible says that all good things come from God. If you would humble yourself and really focus on His glory and the furthoring of His Kingdom, God may (in time) put you back on top of the world (the right way). But you and I both know that you are not doing the right thing right now. You can serve both God and mamon. Wouldn''t you love to have a REAL realtionship with God? Wouldn''t you love to have a REAL relationship with a Godly woman and experience the bliss of sacrificing for another vs yourself? Wouldn''t you love to have children? Life is too short (as you say) and it is not going to get any better. Or would you rather have the Land Rover, the boat, the house, the money and the "ho''s" ? You have made agreements with every business partner and you have abandoned your loyalty to them .. is that Godlike? What of the ones you took for a ride all together, delivering nothing? You can not be convicted of the same crimes twice .. it is constitutionally impossible and you know it (so do the OJ thing and say "I Did It"). That would be the REAL start to your healing.

at 1/15/2008 6:42:03 AM, Jonathan Sweet said:
Hello everyone. There have been a lot of good, and hopefully helpful, comments on this post. However, some people have been resorting to personal attacks that add nothing to the discussion. In order to try to keep this on topic, comments will not be posted until we've had a chance to review them. I'm not trying to censor your opinions, but merely trying to keep the conversation civil and not potentially libelous. If you have any questions about this, please feel free to contact me directly at Jonathan.Sweet@reedbusiness.com.

at 1/15/2008 9:35:57 AM, Rick Bogacki said:
Gerald, you could not be more right about everything you said about the heart of a person. We can only judge a person by how they act and what they say. "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth will speak". I hope that J.C has changed but I do not know his heart hopefully,he has changed. I tell anyone who calls me or contacts me in anyway regarding Window Tree the truth. My partner and I help people and do what they have asked us to do. I cannot speak for J.C. I have said before he needs to right his wrongs and do the right thing everyday. I hope J.C. will do that but no one can make anybody do anything. I am not supporting him or really helping him in any way, just trying to give him Godly advise.

at 1/16/2008 3:03:19 AM, Gerald said:
It is easier to convict a person of corrupt business practices that has been convicted of it before. If this person can be proven to use others to hide behind (like placing things in others name to keep them out of picture - mainly to keep from having to face commanded legal obligations set by the court - THAT IS A CRIME and ALL parties involved go to jail). The reason why is becasue it shows a continued pattern of illegal behavior and possible criminal intent. Before buying into any franchise or idea always involve a CPA or an Attorney to review contractual legalities. Never buy into the "get rich quick" pitch. Be VERY careful about buying into a NEW founded business, a lot of these fail becasue it is difficult to track financial weekness or strengths in a "new" comapny until it is too late and you are holding the debt and the seller is running to the next sucker laughing. Always do a back ground check on the owners or CEO's and ask to see financials. If a person is afraid to reveal the financial strength of his company then that is a definite sign of things not adding up. Check references. Call other owners of franchises and get their opinion on the corporation. Are they meeting the guidelines stated in their contracts, are they getting the support expected for start up companies, were there any hidden fees not mentioned primarily. Most important- never make a business decision like this immediately - take your time and do your research. Ask questions and when not sure about something ask more questions. If a company is wanting to sell you a franchise and you have questions, then they should strive to make sure that your questions are clearly answered and that you are satisfied that you are making a condusive business decision. If they get impatient with you - walk away - there are too many opportunities in the world that will make sense and make money. Finally - does it pass the "gutt test". If it seems to good to be true - then it most likely is. A good sales pitch is one that caters to emotion (not logic) so put your emotions to the side and use your head. If your emotions get excited (mostly because the rep is excited thus transfering that to you) but deep down in your gutt you feel not so sure, either ask them to leave or you get up an run. Rarely is that true "gutt" feeling wrong.

at 1/16/2008 8:28:10 AM, Do it Right said:
Yes, Gerald, you are very correct. I have experienced the "golden ticket" sales pitch and nearly bought into it. If I had not done my research there is no telling where I would have been financially today, probibly bankrupt. A frined of mine(who's name I will keep confident) was pitched by this company (Window Tree)a few months ago. When he talked to me about it we tried researching it and could find nothing. Finally we submitted inquiries about the owner and saw shocking statistics! My friend never responded to the many calls he got from this person and finally he stopped calling. Today this friend still has his money and his sanity. So I agree with you, always research. The internet is a powerful revealing tool that when used properly, can and most definately will save you a lot of money and heartache.

at 1/16/2008 4:18:40 PM, Rick Bogacki said:
Gerald I would love to talk to me call me anytime 812-454-8425

at 1/16/2008 4:37:36 PM, pmk said:
Gerald it seems from your prior statements that you had your hand in all of the cherokee window "so called fraud business practices" instructed by Luna and did not leave to you helped in the investigation. As far as I am concerned is that everyone in this world makes mistakes! Luna was a young man starting a new business that seemed to profit a lot in the first years or so and it got out of hand. You can also make light of his wreck and fact that he lost his leg but it is very funny to me that most the trouble appeared then. So when did you really pull from cherokee? Gerald? I personally think you need to get out of Luna's business because it seems that he is doing perfectly fine. I am sure with his interests he can return the money to everyone that was wronged. I think Luna's potential sickens you because it is what you so badly seek!

at 1/16/2008 8:51:49 PM, Jose C Luna JR said:
Hello, Wow I cant put it into words on how deeply sorry I am For all the people that still hurt.. God As My Witness I am Sorry.. I am open to any ideas or solutions, on getting these victims money back. I do not want to entertain the idea of bankruptcy. Remember I just got released and stayed at a homeless shelter, with no prosthesis. I made a choice to come back, as the only possible way of making my wrongs right. But we all know Rome wasnt built over night. Again I am very sorry To every person I hurt, Please do not hesitate to contact me windowtreedirect@gmail.com And for the record, this is and will be the ONLY TIME I WILL EVER RESPOND ON THIS FORUM Thank you Jonathan Sweet And God Bless You all

at 1/17/2008 11:22:59 AM, Gerald said:
Jose/Jc, you never cease to amaze me. To begin with you are pmk. As you have been nearly every opposing voice to this blog (except for a few I can name). Why keep doing this? Why continue? Ok here let me do this .. I invite you to my neck of the woods - need a plane ticket I will cover it. I will put you in the finest Hotel here. I will give you a check as a gift (that most certainly will not bounce) so that you have spending money while here (I think I can give you a tour in less then 7 days). Let me drive you around the Middle Valley Tn area and the N Ga area and SHOW you what it is that I have done. Then let me take you to my little humble home and introduce you to my wonderful family and pets. We will then go to the bank and my CPA, I gotta suprise for you. After I help you lift your jaw off the floor I will take you back to the airport and wave bye bye to you as you return to fantasy land. You got my email address buddy. Take me up on that offer. I refuse to hide behind the anonymity of initials. Man, Jose please. Ok entertain us ALL OVER THE WORLD. You said "I am open to any ideas or solutions ... ", a lot have written it off but closure would be nice. Start by owning up to EVERY bit of it and stop passing the buck on other people. That is a start. Really. But like it or not, I am your shadow until convinced that you are doing the right thing. Bankruptcy? Are you kidding me? The judgement was against YOU not Cherokee. YOU CAN NOT put this in your bankruptcy so STOP using that crutch! Speaking of crutches, I have NEVER made light of your accident. I am REALLY sorry that you went through that, I wish it never happened. So what you got to say against people hearing you state that the reason why you want to move to Florida is becasue it is a NON GARNISHING State? Looks like ya got every intention on NOT paying your debt. How much of the kick back money you get from your distributors (I will not mention their names they are innocent)has went to the victims? We alredy know about the people Rick and Steve influenced you to repay (thank God for them). Why are you keeping your company out of YOUR NAME? Bah! I am not going to entertain your rhetoric. By the way that benz payment is coming due and we do not want someone else to have to make that payment for you. Need a loan? Jose I can help you, if you want it - but it will not be monitary assistance. Just good ole brotherly love and Christian advise.

at 1/17/2008 6:17:35 PM, Jose C Luna Jr said:
Gerald, first I need to say again I am sorry for hurting you and your family. Gerald, you are right. Back when you knew me during the Cherokee years(2001) I did not know God. I was searching for happiness, but I was prideful, arrogant, and following the things that the world says will make you happy...money,power,popularity. But, I am not that same man today. God has been refining me, even this blog has been a tool for me to grow. So Thankyou everyone for sharing your thoughts here.

at 1/18/2008 11:30:04 AM, SAD said:
Unfortunately, I cannot say who I am. I can only say that my interactions with Mr. Luna are recent. I know who tells him what to say and how. This person is again advising him. As you can see earlier in this blog, Luna was on his own. He was speaking the only way he knows how to speak. Someone else has control of his mouth right now or should I say advising his words. Maybe, Mr. Luna is being genuine, but I don’t think so. Maybe, God is using this blog to break him….I hope so. So, now you know where my bias perspective is coming from, as some would say. Luna, this is to you… you hurt people. You haven’t just hurt people in the past… you are hurting people NOW!!! So, if you are so changed, and if you are being honest, why do you continue to hurt people? Why not mend the things you have said to alter relationships? You have controlled, spread your poison of ‘life is short’ who needs ‘you’. I have never seen anyone with such manipulation in not only business but the latter. For anything that this comment brings to mind…change it. I realize you are not in control of your current situation in business and the ‘latter’. You are in the process of loosing all control. I will know you have changed if you humble yourself and try to mend the damage you have done RECENTLY!!! Otherwise, you are everything that is said in black and white to me! You do the same, you act the same, you say the same, you are the SAME!

at 1/20/2008 5:27:26 PM, pmk said:
just to let Gerald know that even though I do not wish to reveal my name does not mean that I am Jose. Just an outside eye and ear that thinks you need to lay off a little. Give somebody a chance.

at 1/22/2008 8:29:01 AM, Gerald said:
pmk, if you are not Jose (but I am entitled to my opinions and I think you are) then accept my apology. But you make a couple of comments I can not let go. "Give somebody a chance". and also, "lay off a little". I will respond to the last first. How can you give someone a chance when it is PROVEN that the dishonesty continues? And now for the "lay off a little", give me one solid reason why should. Email me and if you can give me SOLID evidence that backs up your request I might consider it.

at 1/23/2008 10:45:32 AM, Jesse said:
There's an old saying.... Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. With a track record like Cherokee and Tectonic, and, the number of reputable contractors out there who have never cheated people the way Cherokee did. Why would anyone trust and use them again? They're just not worth the risk, there's too many other good people out there.

at 1/23/2008 2:09:29 PM, Gerald said:
Jesse, will you email me at geraldc476@yahoo.com please? Thank you.

at 1/28/2008 6:31:39 AM, Gerald said:
The wicked web that has been weaved still gets larger. I have acquired new news on a couple of alligations. I am looking into them as I type this. Once I get confirmation on a couple of things I will post them here. You would think that after a person made two comments about being changed (well one comment I believe to be made by a different person - phrases and character resemble that of another poster) that there would be signs of more then "lip service". There has been activity resently discovered that proves different. I will be requesting an appearance with the State's Attorney's office soon and will be back in Indiana.

at 2/6/2008 6:25:41 AM, jz said:
silence is deafening

at 2/8/2008 7:25:28 PM, Gerald said:
It is called the silence before the storm. <whisper> Can you hear the Thunder?

at 2/19/2008 5:34:50 AM, Jackie said:
All has been so quiet! Is there anyone who knows if Jose Luna has changed his life around?Has he started to pay back any of the people who lost their money?

at 2/25/2008 5:25:59 PM, Gerald said:
A small Story. One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river. The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back. Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream. "Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?" "Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly. "Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!" Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!" "This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!" "Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog. "Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!" So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current. Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs. "You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?" The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back. "I could not help myself. It is my nature." Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river. Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion... ______________________________ I have been in communications with JC Luna over the past couple of weeks. JC assures me that he is intending on doing the "right" thing and he is looking into opening an account that will allow him to deposit money into it to repay those wronged by him. He has expressed that there are no promises and he will make a true attempt to try. Right now there may be reason to doubt his words, but when a man's back is to the wall what else can you do but give the chance. People I want you to understand that "if" JC Luna intends on doing this, it will take a little time to set this up. JC Luna is most definately financially strapped right now and until he can set a concrete plan I doubt any substancial deposits will be made. He has made no promises to me when he will do this or how much he will deposit .. right now I have to believe him and I ask that you do to. I am in no way vouching for his words, he is a man and he has to lie in the bed he made. JC I am not the Frog (the people are) do not be the Scorpion. Prove yourself and I will stand by your side (not behind you). But sting anyone ... (enough said). I trust your word - for now.

at 2/26/2008 10:16:49 AM, nn1945 said:
This is very interesting. I am very happy to hear the news for us here in Indy. I do not know about anyone else but I remain suspicious until some action is proven. VERY GOOD REPORT, given the situation. I see that there are no promises made, but I would rather see that he is making a honest effort to start somewhere. By the way Gerald, you posted that you were heading this way soon. Any ideas when? Thank you for the information.

at 2/28/2008 6:26:44 AM, Gerald said:
Currently I have taken on a new development and getting the proper information to the necessary parties takes up a lot of my current time. For now I am giving the issues at hand a rest and will allow the heart felt requests from JC to "back off and give him a chance" to work its way. I will make a trip up there soon but I am unable to specify a solid date. I will let you know when. Spring is near and the market gets crazy around here - so we will have to see. Thank you for asking.

at 2/28/2008 2:49:47 PM, pmd said:
fool me Twice???????

at 2/29/2008 11:26:22 AM, dmz said:
dont believe the snake oil salesman

at 3/1/2008 2:18:36 PM, customer said:
My husband and I purchased a sunroom right before all the problems happened. It was a horrible experience. Luckily there was one person there that would return our calls (and I called daily I don’t remember his name) finally we had all of our problems fixed so I guess you would say what is my complaint? Well the lifetime guarantee on the windows etc. They leak, we have worked on them and had others try to fix them they no longer close all the way, etc, etc. Maybe my room was completed but I have nowhere to go now when I have problems. No one wants to touch anything that Luna was involved with. Gerald I am a Christian person and I understand your indignation over what has happened. Many people were hurt and cheated but God will take care of Mr. Luna. For your own well being you need to allow yourself to heal. It is good that you keep people informed but don't allow the distain you have for Mr. Luna to such a big part of your life because when you do he wins. If Mr. Luna has accepted the Lord then that is wonderful but if he is saying that to fool people the one that will be the fool will be him. I pray for all of those who were hurt by Mr. Luna and for Mr. Luna.

at 3/3/2008 10:30:29 AM, Jackie said:
I appreciate the comments by 'customer'. How many other customers who received their windows are having problems?Beware of any lifetime guarantees!! I will mention that Gerald has healed from his experience with Jose. He is at his own expense and effort trying to prevent this from happening again to future customers.I do not know many people who really care that much for others.He is a 'watchdog' and I am so very grateful! If Jose has changed,he will make restitution. He is young and I believe he still has a good chance of redeeming some integrity.

at 3/3/2008 2:07:01 PM, Gerald said:
customer: please email me at geraldc476@yahoo.com, I may have some answers on how to repair the leaks but I need you to tell me what it is that you are seeing. As for having any indignations against Jose/JC Luna ... nada. I made a lot of people a promise that I would be a shadow and th